
So…I’ve been busy. It’s been another big push for a paper that I feel is in many ways over my head, but at least the rough draft is settled and I don’t have to worry about a final for over a month. Some times I write these things, and I think, no one really cares about that and I’m becoming rather loathe about being self-reflexive about blogging lately, but perhaps that’s because I’ve been avoiding thinking about myself as well.
Now I’m going to do something that I don’t think I’ve ever done before: go through a comment point by point and discuss. Perhaps it’s been laziness on my part that I haven’t done this more often, but this raised many issues that actually help me get out some thoughts.
This comment was on the last post regarding marriage equality.
“Perhaps the LGBT community can lay claim to a new word that best describes “marriage” without being as cumbersome as “civil union” or “domestic partnership, LLC” … without stepping on the toes of the religious crowd.”
Honestly, this sounds like a great idea. However, I don’t think that any form of separate name is going to be equivalent (a lesson learned in Brown v. Board). What is interesting is the way that we focus on this as a business partnership to avoid steeping on the toes of the religious crowd. Marriage has primarily been an economic institution, not an institution of love. I can’t think of a single story in the bible where someone was admonished solely for marrying someone they didn’t love. Also, I don’t think most societies until recently would have done so either. The use of business terms helps the squeamish avoid thinking about what marriage inherently means in many ways at the core: sex.
“I’ve always felt that marriage was kind of a traditional thing that was best intended between men and women. Plus, it has many of the trappings of religion, which is exactly what many gays I know… want to avoid. In a way… the (Christian Right in particular) feel that marriage is sacrosanct - and that is rightly so, if it is indeed ordained by God.”
In my book the tradition argument should carry little to no weight. According to tradition women should be property and not allowed to vote. Slavery should be upheld. People of different races should not be allowed to marry.
Saying that marriage has the trappings of religion is an interesting argument. Immediately following solely with a definition by the Christian Right reveals a fixation (or blindness) to other traditions or cultures. Indeed, even polygyny (the practice of one man having many wives, not polygamy where either spouse has more than one partner of the other sex because there is no case in the bible of a woman having more than one husband, and that is precisely what was deemed so distasteful when people queried Jesus in the bible about marriage in the resurrection) was in the bible, other societies have practiced polyandry (a woman having more than one husband) and other societies have had different ways of creating/reflecting intimacy within themselves.
“Despite the apolgists who twist scriptures and make cases for couples like David and Jonathan, Ruth and Naomi (who were in-law relations, hence adding a spectre of “all-in-the-family” ickiness if they were lesbians) or Paul and Timothy, or even Jesus and Disciple John (!) … at no time do we see a Biblical ordination of a same-sex marriage.”
I always find the twisting of scripture argument to be rather silly. Partially because I only think of the bible as a work of loose historical fiction, but also because of the large lapse of time and general uncertainty surrounding the bible and the contradictions that occur so frequently within the bible itself. Most histories have censored same-sex love. This does not mean it did not occur. It may have had no name. Indeed, there was no word for heterosexuals until after the word homosexual had been coined. As for the “all-in-the-family” ickiness, why is everyone so willing to gloss over the fairy tale of Adam and Eve being the sole humans in the beginning? As for Jesus and John, heck, I think you can make a good case for that one.
While it is true that there is no biblical ordination of same-sex marriage, you could also say there is no biblical ordination for the abolition of slavery; the rights of women; the wrongness of genocide (which god commanded the Israelites commit when they occupied Canaan). A great deal of society functioned with the propagation of heirs and farming within the biblical culture. The one passage in Leviticus deals with a tribe that is struggling for its very survival. Homosexual relationships would impede the maximum number of offspring in the same way bestiality would.
Furthermore, you can make a very good case that the bible is opposed to interracial marriage. Many stories in the bible surround people not marrying outside of the covenant (the tribe or faith) and how this led to god’s displeasure, sinfulness, and destruction.
“Very close relations between men, but hardly any snogging, much less a marriage.”
Well, I guess that means there were hardly any women around back then either because they are rarely ever mentioned. Perhaps this is another instance of the nexus between homophobia and sexism.
“And, the nouns to describe the traditional partners ion a marriage - “husband” and “wife” always have struck an odd sound whenever I have heard a man refer to another man as his “husband” or “wife” (which treads into the whole marginilization and definition of roles game: top, bottom, femme or butch, or off the wall? )”
Part of this comes because of the underlying sexism that is tied to homophobia. We worry about roles because we worry about men being like women (which because of sexism would marginalize their existence). Beyond this, isn’t it strange to hear Latin people call the pope papa? So much of language is only odd to us because we are unfamiliar with it. It is because of the heterosexual paradigm that overlays our societal consciousness that this somehow becomes disturbing, otherwise, if we weren’t sexist or didn’t view everything through a heterosexual lens, what would be odd about it?
“Not much better are the other nouns we use for same sex nuptial relations:
“Domestic Partner” sounded too much like an AMWAY scam in the making.
“Spouse” seems suitable, since it is gender neutral. But as the natural plural of spouse is “spice”… one gets to thinking about food, which is not good for those trying to keep thier (once upon a time) svelte figures. I recommend therefore, that the LGBT community appropriate to itself a suitable verb and companion nouns to define monogamous (we hope!) LGBT relations that has all of the niceties and benefits of marriage, without the religious aftertaste, or obtuse linguistic acrobatics.”
What I think is funny about this is that LGBT’s are asked to appropriate a new word, whereas we automatically ascribe this word to other cultures whose practices and languages obviously differ. Why are tribal unions called marriages? Why do we even refer to the marriage of companies? We actually use marriage in a fluid way, but the heterosexism we’ve been fed keeps us from using this word in other ways that would rob the white male protestant heterosexual of some exclusivity and power.
“Of course, the whole marriage thing might be mooted anyway if the Democrats bring back the marriage tax…
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As for the whole marriage tax debate, this is one of the smaller issues at stake in my opinion. Creating the same legal incidents of marriage can be extremely costly without some form of laws. Additionally, married individuals have HUGE benefits when it comes to estate and gift and generation transfer taxation exemptions and options that are simply not available to unmarried (or same-sex married couples) in any case. Beyond that, courts have often invalidated legal contracts that approximated marriages making transfers ineffectual. Thus, passing on property is very difficult between a gay couple. It may even be impossible now under many of the new state constitutional amendments that prohibit things that approximate marriage (which should be unconstitutional because one of the fundamental rights as a citizen is the right to contract which we don’t give to minors and we didn’t give to slaves or women in the past).
Beyond this, I’d like to agree with C.L. Hanson that there are also international implications as to what a civil union would produce.
If marriage truly is a religious institution why do we honor marriage performed by a Justice of the Peace? Why do we honor marriages performed by non-xtian religions?
End of my discussion in this post.
On another note I was really surprised to see that best gay blogs posted my “Bodies that Sell” post. I would have thought that it would be tremendously antithetical to what their site primarily is: pictures of those bodies. But I’m happy that maybe it made someone out there think about it, and I know I don’t have all the answers, but I think it’s a good topic for discussion.
Thanks everyone for your input and insightful comments. I really do appreciate them!